My mother complained about it on many occasions.
The lack of physios at weekends and bank holidays was always a huge problem in the UK too ( it probably still is).
Agreed- but that not the point made in my post. Can Swiss workers complain in those circumstances- if they are not prepared to do it, but frontaliers are?
Isn't it because the number of jobs grow over the years, there's more and more people around and most likely foreigners + frontaliers?
Have you heard about a project in Lausanne to build 4 huge office buildings in Malley? Guess who will work there. Do you think that the thousand office jobs there would be those "paperwork" type which anyone shortly trained can do?
I noticed one thing, Swiss people tend to think that things around should stay exactly the same since they become 20 till they pass away. No one wants changes, more cars, more building, new road, etc. etc.
to be fair, SWitzerland is a tiny country, with lots of unusable land like mountains and lakes - and I can fully understand the reluctance to concrete the lot- truly. Even when you are forward thinking and open. Perhaps those of us who have witnessed the vast changes over last 60+ years are more aware of this. The USA, and to some extent the UK can absorb new buildings, roads, etc- in a way SWitzerland just can't - and as tourism is a major player that relies on the beauty perceived by visitors.
FTFY.
Tom
IS the same in Ticino for Italian and in Zurich for German, they steal job to the local...even if the the employer is hiring someone else because is cheaper doesn't matter the problem are the people/employees.
there are a lot of articles in the news about that,
regards
In Vaud it is to a large extent s self inflicted pain. Around Lausanne there are communes which want to live like 100 years ago, so blocks of flats and houses pop up in remote places next to Yverdon, Moudon, pied de Jura, and then the added roads and traffic. And then everybody drives from these new apartments and houses to either Lausanne or Geneva. This sprawl happens because of politics, as few people have interest to live in Montricher given they could afford a flat in another Bussigny.
I'm a frontalier who works in Geneva, where as previously said we pay tax at source, a proportion of that (3%, I believe) being sent on to our communes of residence in France.
I personally detect very little resentment, but then I certainly don't sound French, I consume in Geneva (typically food but also clothes and language lessons), I work with a lot of frontaliers, and I'm careful about how I drive (I drive/ride on 74 plates). Only once have I been shouted at - "You should have stayed in your own country" (in French and I imagine he thought I was French - it was just after the immigration quota vote and I was taking petty revenge on the car behind for having beeped me for letting somebody in by driving 10km/h below the limit). But YMMV
A swiss friend says it's because they're messed up in the head. They're stuck halway between thinking they're in france and abroad so they both treat the place like they own it and like they're just tourists. Worst of both worlds.
What your rethoric. No one is "stealing" a job in this case.
If anything it's the employers profiting from the situation by offering job for allegedely a lesser salary.
Especially that it's done legally by the employes, so let's be moderated with unfair accusations.
I'm surprised with this topic.
I read in numerous newspaper lately including "le temps", 24heures that the principal root cause of lack of integration by invad...foreigners in Switzerland was due to the language. It seems the locals had a fixation on English speakers.
I read so many comments by belowed locals that "it's their fault they speak english all the time, they should learn local language, blablabla".
Which leaves me a little confused, in this case the invad...job thieve are speaking the very same language natively. Yet there are still conflicts between them?
Looks like maybe there's a deeper problem here...
https://www.letemps.ch/monde/2016/10...r-amis-suisses
http://www.24heures.ch/vivre/societe...story/25210337
The first comment illustrate very much what I was saying. The title is "Switzerland is falling out in the foreigner's hearts".
And here we go "expats are doing no efforts to learn French" (then follow by being pedant about how easy it is to learn it).
Hm... So "foreigners" means English speakers now? It is the first time I have the impression that french are not considered aliens here... Since it's due to ill intentions, obsession and poor analysis, I guess that's not valid.
Not sure quite how long you've lived in the area- but as said above, I've seen the development of the area for 60+ years. The main reason why flats and house are springing up near Yverdon, Cossonay, pied du Jura, etc, is availability of cheaper land and PRICE. For the developers, but also for the buyer or rentor - and peace, smaller classes, access to countryside (and France for shopping), etc. And yes, the price is more cars and commuting.
However the authorities and employers are trying hard to improve public transport and even in house transport (Jaeger-Lecoultre in Vallée de Joux has a bus that picks up and returns from Pontarlier and several points along the route, and car sharing, providing safe car parks for pick up and return, etc.
There is no way anyone will agree to concrete up the shores of the Leman and Lavaux any more than it has over the past 50 years- it is far too beautiful. Politics, vested interests, yes of course. But the Swiss themselves realise they've already gone too far and that it has to stop- the little that is left has to be protected.
And what is wrong with Montricher/L'Isle - very beautiful villages and countryside for all kind of sports, with space for kids, dogs, horses... great little schools, etc. What is not to like? (unless you are in single in your 20s... ) a choice, and much much cheaper.
IMO there has been some typo mistake years ago.
Geneva is not Calvin's city but Chauvin's city.
(for those who know about GVA history and present days).
Like you suggested the trend around Lausanne -Lavaux and around is not to spread anymore (as said the rest is protected).
It's to destroy old houses and build small blocks. Since they can sell around million for each it's much more profit than a single house.
So yes, the land in these location is the valuable asset, not the actual house/brick and mortar.
Well yes- Genevans are the Parisians of Switzerland- with the arrogance to match lol - les grandes gueules de Genèèèèèèève. But- to be fair- I know so many young Genevans who have had to up sticks and go and work elsewhere or accept long commutes, because they just cannot afford rental prices, nor can find any apartment large enough to raise a family. People like teachers, police, nurses - and this because of more and more large foreign businesses, like Procter and G- who commandeered vast numbers of apartments which often went straight to them without being advertised on the market.
None of them are anti foreigners per se - but really do resent not beig able to live and work in the City they were born.
Montricher is a ridiculously expensive commune as for a long time communal taxes were zero, the commune could generate enough money from other activities, mainly forestry, believe it or not. (It has a big area and not many people living their)
I think now they pay some commune tax but it is quite low. Before you all start rushing off to buy/rent their, prices are correspondingly high, so at the end of the day it makes little difference. low tax, high rent, or high tax, low rent.....
I know that situation.
Yet the market is flawed, and yes, they are some abuses.
Nonetheless, one needs to pick its "ennemy" carefully, or define the root cause of the problem more accurately.
For example, the properties were owned by some Swiss people before the mass invasion of foreigner thieves. Those one got happier (and richer) by selling them properties at much higher prices than they paid for.
Simply look at the price value increase of properties say in last 10 years, as per comparis it has been + 60% in almost all Swiss Romande.
We don't hear those one complaining.
So yes, i'm not denying that the way is done regarding "legal migrants" is not the best and that it has caused a pressure on infrastructures.
I'm also saying that the attitude by a lot of locals is often wrong, misguided and misdirected.
And sure, the "social environment" (including laws, culture and all that) is not the best "integration magic yeast". Take UK for example, while far from being perfect or fair in all integration related topics, I found that there was a system in place to prevent some abuses, and that it was working quite well.
Lavaux - no idea. But Lausanne - just look around the little airport and Le Mont sur Lausanne - it is all low density and empty.
Instead, people buy houses and apartments all the way in Montricher not because they want to settle there, but because of price. So instead of densifying and zoning construction around Lausanne and thus providing affordable housing where people actually work and want to live, affordable housing is provided at another end of the canton, with all its inefficiencies - additional infrastructure, traffic, commute time etc. And this "only" because the communes around Lausanne are suffocating its development because their inhabitants want their nice low density neighborhoods next to a big city. Can't blame them but then don't blame the urban sprawl all the way along the highway corridors and elsewhere on foreigners. They work hard to provide the retirement checks for all these Swiss pensioners bitching about them.
I'm not pointing the finger, I'm only saying if a new shops or mall opens and make an advertise in Switzerland directly to the Italian or French population as a prerequisite is not fault of the people who applied, than they create this kind of war versus those people who have to cross the border every day between them and the Swiss population
Not blaming nobody, take it easy...
They don't steal jobs, they compete for it. In the same way as any product, a worker has his/her intrinsic and perceived value. If the Swiss can't compete with the frontaliers, they should stop whining and study, acquire new skills, and produce more!