Wine fraud in Valais

A winemaker from Valais/Wallis was prosecuted for selling wine from Spain an Schaffhausen as AOC Valais. The revenue from the trick was around 12 million francs.

The business name is cave Maison Rouge SA.

The internet says that the guy loved to put his name on bottles. It would be curious to find these bottles still in the market.

The process ended today, 3.5 years of jail time + 2 million CHF of financial compensation + legal costs. AOC protection works, this is good.

PS. the wine from SH is distinctively acidic, so it’s true crime :wink:

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Selling Spanish wine as Valais, probably helped elevate the status of Valais into the “barely drinkable” category, so they should have kept the whole thing a secret :slight_smile:

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You should try …or much better, make an enemy try, the Pinot Noir AOC Schaffhausen.

I was thinking along those lines.

It would have been hilarious if they had won a wine award!

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There are a few decent Valaisan reds, Humagne is one we enjoy occasionally in a restaurant, and the Doles, both red and white, can be quite reminiscent of French Rhone wines.

The stuff from just down the road here, though (Chablais, Aigle and others), mostly white, mostly insipid, or ‘delicate’ if you want to be slightly less scathing, and mostly coming in at over 10chf a bottle… naah, I’m sorry, I’m not paying that much for inferior wines just because it’s local.

We’ve found that Valais wine does not travel very well. Tastes great on the pistes, not so much at home.

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I’ve seen mostly Valaisan whites around here and they’re drinkable. Not special, but at the right temperature (read cold) are OK.

You wouldn’t believe it, even kt. Zurich is producing some wine!

In other words, what I call a “situational” drink. Same as those “Italian” and “Spanish” lagers that taste fantastic in Sardegna or Majorca, but are close to undrinkable piss if had at home.

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I’m sure that’s what she meant, yes, but I can’t agree. It doesn’t taste nice in Valais either.

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:laughing:

I think this belongs in the Switzerlanded thread.

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Switzerland is not really blessed with a great climate for growing grapevines - and I suspect neither a proper soil.

However, knowing how industrious the Swiss are and how determined to make the best of what they have, I always had a curiosity about the Swiss wines.
They’re not the best we ever had, but they seemed OK for this climate. (maybe it’s important that you have a hearty meal before and then everything goes :slight_smile: )

I suppose (older) Swiss people are more invested in supporting the local wineries and I find this idea great. Obviously, we cannot claim the same level of commitment, but we did try some of the Swiss wines. I agree they’re a tad overpriced for their quality, if you compare them to the imported wines, but I am certain the production costs are higher than elsewhere and I think what they do is a niche and a bit crazy anyway, and I (sort of) like this!! However - no, we’re not having Swiss wine very often. I think the local beers are much better!!

Climate is literally changing :wink: One of the craziest trends is that Neuchâtel may become a place for Merlot.

Concerning prices, sometimes Swiss wines are overprices. But, a lot of times don’t. And there are some oddities. When trub bier is not enough, chilled non-filtered wines are nice. In spite of being far away from the sea, I’m amazed how the Heida and Completer varieties go along seafood. Pinot Noir from a few winemakers from Valais and Neuchâtel is great, but varies from year to year. Don’t throw rotten fruit at me…there’s even a quirky wine coming from a hybrid grape variety (Leon Millot) here in Aargau that somehow works.

But those are the oddities, in general I wont’ buy a Swiss wine in a shop. Either from the winemaker or nothing.

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Last Saturday we, and a bunch of friends, did the Ballade Gourmand in Mount sur Rolle, on La Côte. Basically a very nice meal in six parts walking 5 km through the vinyards. At each stop a ‘course’ starting with a gazpacho amuse buche, followed by fish, meat, cheese, dessert and coffee.

At each stop a chance to sample two of that vintners best wines. Some OK, some quite good and a couple that were excellent. At the end an opportunity to buy, or not.

There are some very good Swiss wines although expensive.

That’s because you are at home in Valais :wink:

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Hey…we already have a decent Merlot in canton Ticino. :slight_smile:
Helda and Completer seem like those nice local grape varieties, and Completa is the wine which was drunk by monks of Chur after the prayer…(I just read it somewhere on the internet)…of course it is expensive!! Completer is cultivated mainly in Graubünden, “over a modest 1.7 hectares”. (according to the site Baur au Lac vins)

I think I paid 30 CHF or so per bottle. It’s about the price of champagne made by a Vigneron Independant in France. So, not cheap, also not outrageous.

I’m always baffled at the talk about prices because even the cheapest bottle from Italy or Spain in a restaurant in Switzerland is at least 40 CHF for a 10 CHF bottle, and from there…the sky is the limit. So, I mostly drink beer or wine by glass when eating out. It hurts my soul paying for 2 bottles in a restaurant when compared to the same 2 bottles at home hahaha

PS. I got acquainted with cheap wines because company events. I drink it anyway at job event, but when I see the same bottle in a restaurant…it’s hilarious.

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We clearly have different definitions, but that’s well above the “outrageous” threshold in my book. But then I don’t think Champagne is worth that much either; in general the Crémants d’Alsace we drink a lot of are every bit as good at usually something like a third of the price.

Restaurant prices are a different thing and really shouldn’t be brought into the same equation as retail, be it direct, specialist shop or supermarket.

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Ohhh Alsace. Just because it’s possible to find awesome Pinot Blanc at 7 francs per bottle…it doesn’t mean it’s a ruler to measure the world. Anyway, 50 min drive from here :slight_smile:

We always choose Alsace or other Cremants…Bourgogne, for example. Value for money, and we know the producers.

So many years and hundreds of thousands of liters and nobody could tell a difference but some accountants combing through the fraudster books. That tells a lot about the refined tastes of the wine connoisseurs :slight_smile:

This discussion has to be moved to “hey snob, you have been switzerlanded”

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