1500 Cake Calories vs 1500 General Calories

Are all weights the same? Are ALL calories the same? My boyfriend says it is all numbers.

I dont believe that. Because he is slim...and I am what I call Slim+:-) But we eat almost the same stuff...and he stays slim...and I am just...welll "+"...

I told I would go on a 1500 Cake/Ice cream diet...and I should lose the same weight if on a 1500 fruits/veg/healthy carb diet.

Does it matter where the calories are from??? Your thoughts...:-)

Of course I think it is WHAT you eat as well as how much???

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You do know that men and women have different calorific needs (in terms of numbers). The amount you need also varies by age. A decent rule of thumb is that women need 500 calories a day fewer than men of the same age. Hence he could be eating the same as you and maintaining his weight whereas you could be gaining. Job activity, exercise and metabolic rate variations will all contribute too.

Eta yes 1500 calories from cake and ice-cream will give you the same calories as 1500 from anything else. It won't give you a balanced diet though. Short term you're going to get spotty and moody (due to sugar and insulin spikes) and long term you could end up with type II diabetes.

How about a balanced diet and regular exercise instead?

As a confirmed "1500 calorie dieter" I would say in terms of pure weightloss no it makes no difference what you eat - all calories are the same.

BUT - and this is a big but - eating cake instead of healthier things will not fill you up in the same way. So the cake calories get burned a lot faster - meaning you will be starving a lot sooner than if you'd eaten say a bowl of porridge.

There was a recent theory put out in a newspaper somewhere that not all calories are the same and that 2 foods with the same calories are not equivalent if one takes longer to digest than another because the longer-digesting food is actually burning more calories in the digestion process than the fast digesting food. But personally I think this is nonsense - it may be theoretically true, but I don't think it'll help you when you're trying to lose weight.

Now, don't look at the eternally thin people and think that you are one of them - there are some freaks of nature out there who have high metabolism in their genes which means they burn a ton of calories just sitting still. Most of us are not blessed with such metabolism. But, exercising - in general - will have a positive effect on that too - because resting muscle burns more calories than resting fat.

So, exercise 3 times a week for at least a half hour a time. Eat 1500 calories (of whatever, doesn't matter, but eat cake and you will be hungry!) and you will lose weight.

[Says the woman who has lost 11 kilos since May doing just that ]

11 since May ! thats awesome, please share what your 1500 calories consist of, I eat as many and do exercise but I am stuck at my current weight

Well, nothing special really to be honest. I always ate pretty "healthily" as in I always ate fruit, veg etc. and not really "bad" things. It's just that I always ate too much. So for me the key was really to eat a lot less than I was eating.

So I spent a couple of weeks really weighing things out to see what "a portion" looks like - and if you're talking breakfast cereal - well, 30g of breakfast cereal (which is a portion on most packs) is about half of what I would have normally put in my bowl. I cut a lot of carbs, not "no carbs" as I don't believe in that but for example I tried to have my evening meal carb-free. This also seems to help I have to say.

I think it's important to know what you are eating before you decide on what/how to cut so before I started dieting I kept a really detailed diary of absolutely everything that went in my mouth - drinks, finishing off the kids dinner, a spoon of this, a swig of that. It all adds up.

Exercise wise I do half an hour of serious-sweat-level aerobics/boxing/running every other day. This takes a while to pay off and in the beginning may even make you gain some, but after about a month I found the combination of all these things was really working.

And don't forget that 1500 calories of cake and ice cream is not a lot of food to spread out over a day. You'll eat that in one sitting then what will you do the rest of the day? Those 1500 calories need to be spread out over the day.

All the above is correct - from a purely "energy in" point of view, they are the same, but I'd suggest that i) its impossible to do because the amount of food you eat would be very low on the cake diet and you'd be astonishly low and I think that you couldn't survive without eating anything else and ii) it would be very very unhealthy because of zero fibre, nutrients, vitamins etc etc and the type of energy (glucose only) is very fast burning

So to answer your question - yes, you'd lose the same weight, but have significant other consequences

I'm sure that this is a gross simplification (at best) for the sake of sales and marketing, but Weight Watchers UK announced yesterday that they are abandoning calories as a basis for weight loss.

The main reason for this is that some foods use more energy during digestion than others.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today...00/9144629.stm

The body doesn't store all the calories to same way, depending from what it is from, the cakes and ice cream have more chances to finish into your butt and hips. Apples, oranges? not much no.

The others gave you very good advices.

They are moving to Propoints plan which is what is in CH since beginning of 2010 It is a great plan, much better than the one before!

Ciao

K

Hmmm.

Dr Ian Campbell - the voice of reason.

Zoe Helman - the voice of Weightwatchers.

Actually, I've always known that a hard - boiled egg takes more calories to digest than it contains, so none of Ms. Helman's disclosures are "new science".

GI (glycaemic index) has a lot to contribute to the discussion, as well as high fibre and generally low carbohydrates.

And portion sizes, and exercise...

...well I tell you...I am not so much in losing loads of weight. i have been big from the start...really...like my mother said , "you were born big:-)". i mean i did weigh over 10lbs at birth.

nonetheless...in the past growing up..i was given bad eating habits. there was no NO in my vocabulary when it came to foods. food was meant to be eaten when you wanted...no thinking about this or that.

well i am an adult now. and i know better...

i do eat a lot less than i did before...and for some time, i lost loads. and have kept it off.

now i eat what my mother would think is a supermodels diet (well not exactly) but i do sport...some gym but mainly riding the bike for an hour 3-4 or even more per week°!

i am still the same size basically after 6months!!!! my boyfriend thinks oh it because i eat too much.

i tracked my calories...which i hate doing. and for a week...i noticed i easily would eat about 1800 normally...but for my weight , age and height, without exercise to maintain my weight it said i should eat like 2800 calories!! so WTF...why dont i lose if i only eat what the "average woman" should eat.

i dont indulge in sweets though i like bread ....but i eat balanced...more healthily than most!!!!

so....what is that all about...

It is because that for some people, there is actually more to it than simple calorie in followed by calorie burn.

Metabolism, hormones, insulin - and what your body does with these things - all play a factor as well.

Also, I've read some places that when you eat vs when you exercise plays some part too. I dunno, a lot of the tales you may hear and studies you may read are debated anyhow.

The very best answer is to make it a situation that you have professionals involved with and use knowledge of how your individual body works to "tailor make" your nutrition and exercise plan.

Similar situation here. Been going to the gym for months and didn't lose an ounce. 2 weeks ago I decided to talk to the owner of the gym who happens to be a nutritionist. Turns out I was not eating enough and therefore my metabolism was running in "emergency mode" using as many calories as possible to store fat. I never ate breakfast, only lunch and dinner and would get the munchies late at night on a regular basis.

Now I'm eating breakfast, a snack at 10, lunch, a snack at 3, a no carb dinner at 6 and a glass of lemon juice mixed with water before bedtime. I lost 3 kg in the last 2 weeks.

That doesn't mean that anyone who follows my diet would lose weight. It's different for every person so only a visit to the nutritionist will tell you what you have to change.

Here's a good article about it if you really want to spend some time finding out about this. It talks about eating enough calories instead of the body thinking it's starving and saving them all as fat.

http://www.livestrong.com/forums/vie...p?f=28&t=30481

The whole web site I find very useful and I use it to track calories - just beware that their exercise calories are not accurate! There are other "stickies" on there about exercise and fitness, so take a browse!!

Happy reading!

I know nothing about it. I'm just fed up with people who try and make it a lot more complicated than it is.

But I think you're jesting anyway

All I can say there is: Sit down and eat 1500 calories of cake. It will be easy. I bet it won't take too long.

The next day, sit down and try and eat 1500 calories of, for example, carrots.

You won't do it. You'll lose more weight trying to eat carrots.

It's not that simple. It's how the body deals with the calories. Eating a huge cake and all the calories get processed at once. The sugar rush hits, crashes, you feel lethargic and then the body stores all the excess as fat.

Eating a huge pile of fruit and veg has a similar impact sugar wise (depends on the qualtity of fruit) but the energy is released a bit slower and the vitamins give you a decent boost and make you want to move and do stuff.

At least that's how I imagine it would work.

Combine them both. Start the day with a 3000 calorie apple pie.

I don't do too much exercise (although I cycle to/from work every day and am generally quite "mobile") and eat way too much but my body seems to deal with it OK. By that I mean ... I'm slightly over weight (my BMI is 25.5 and have love handles I'd rather not have) but not enough to bother me, and I seem to stay a constant weight regardless of what I eat. So far.