Air India flight to London carrying 242 people crashes in Ahmedabad

the blackbox does not just store communications, also all of the technical happenings & status inside the plane, IRT…that’s not recorded through the telecommunications…

Basically everything but voice. The issue is the resolution, if the data packet uploads are every minute then a 60 second flight like the Air India one would yield very little. From what I could gather the frequency is variable so there is a chance Boeing would have had it immediately.

This is what I mean, surely we have the technology for greater frequency and detail (1sec intervals and voice). This close to the ground, even 4G-5G would work.

This is from an industry that insisted you turn off your mobile phone on the flight and still use floppy disks to update critical navigation data.

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Some 747s still use floppy discs for software upgrades - Airforce One too I believe.

So sorry I should have written:

Some 747s still use floppy discs for software upgrades - even the 747 which the president uses and has call sign Airforce One when he is on board too, I believe.

The floppy disc readers are still on there even when the president is not onboard and the call sign is not Airforce One.

i guess Airforce1 (and in general, these type of presidential planes), must be able to fly while totally disconnected from any type of digital media…for security reasons.

For all of the pilots on the chat (and without derailing the coversation) worth seeing the latest mission impossible in IMAX - the airchase and stunts are truly incredible - yet, 100% real - no AI.

It’s more that the lead time for complex devices like aeroplanes is so very long and their lifespan is long too that that when they finally get manufacture, lots of their technology is already dated and superseded.

It’s one reason why most entertainment systems on planes feel so outdated - it’s because they are.

Same as the US nukes, There now depend on eBay for spares.

Lufthansa, Delta, and Turkish Airlines are currently retrofitting their aging widebodies with new economy and business-class cabins and Inflight entertainment. Aging aircraft often get cockpit upgrades and interior refits to prolong the fleet since the airframe is usually good for many decades. What might speed up replacement is the availability of more efficient engines and or lighter, composite airframes.

I get that for avionics, entertainment etc. But to be able to simply transmit a range of metrics by satellite every 1-2 seconds can’t achieved cost efficiently.

I do hope optical fibre increases the ability for airliners to be more frequently upgraded.

The president’s 747 is an ancient (in aircraft terms), near 40 year old 747-200 built in 1987 and of a type that launched in 1971. No wonder the tech is old!

BTW Airforce-1 is whichever aircraft happens to be used by the president. The 747 only becomes Airforce-1 when the orange baboon is on board..

Baboons exhibit a surprisingly high level of intelligence, displaying abilities comparable to a 3-year-old human child. They demonstrate complex social structures, problem-solving skills, and the ability to learn and recognize words. Studies have also shown their capacity for abstract thought and numerical reasoning.
I wonder…amoeba?

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I had a friend who designed retro-fit entertainment systems for planes. It’s fairly common practice.

As depicted at the end of the Harrison Ford film, Air Force One when he slides on a rope between the 747 and Lockheed MC-130.

Air Force 1 is a flight number it is NOT an aircraft. Any USAF aircraft carrying the current US President is assigned that flight number.

When the President flies on a USMC helicopter it carries the flight number Marine One.

Is that a smart thing to do, I wonder. Any average Joe gets more privacy than the US president.
Try finding out if your aunty Beth is on a certain flight and you will be stonewalled.

Speculation is firmly moving away from pilot error towards the black swan event of dual engine failure. I personally found it hard to imagine how two highly experienced pilots could mistakenly retract the flaps instead of the landing gear. And even taking off without flaps is a stretch given that the TCOWs would have been blaring in the background. All we would need to dismiss that theory is the mayday ATC recordings, because you would clearly hear it.

This guy is really deep into speculation.

Anyway, if the B787 is vulnerable to airports at 45°C…I should say goodbye, I fly in a Dreamliner soon exactly in those conditions :laughing: But, this is a game of probabilities, it should have happened before in Dubai, right?

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Well exactly, if the probability are millions to one then its only a matter of time before an ultra rare event like this rears its head. A vapour lock would require a precise sequence of unfortunate events, not just high ambient temp.

Like the chances of the fuel freezing in BA38 despite always flying in temperatures above the fuel freezing temp!

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