It was lovely when he was on holiday last week.
Maybe we could have a whip round and send him away somewhere permanently.
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Yep and here comes the true racist out of the box.
Unless you’ve got any further comments about the actual football, perhaps you could take your whinging about immigration to this thread…
https://swissforum.co.uk/t/old-older-and-maybe-new-arguments-for-against-immigration/1394
TIA
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It says the thread is private and I can’t post there.
Overall not a great tournament, I have to say. The football was often disappointing, the “big” teams underperformed when it came to style and there were too many questionable interventions. Spain overall a deserving champions, but not great either. Most of the final was hard to watch.
To look at the bright side, at least it did not take place in Qatar.
Bright side for you maybe, I thought Qatar hosted an excellent World Cup, the first for a Middle Eastern country. Yes an estimated 6,500 immigrant workers died in the 11 years of construction, but the World Cup has left a legacy of improved workers rights, a minimum wage and severe punishment for construction companies who flout labour laws (embarrassingly many were actually multi-nationals).
Germany’s losing 2022 World Cup team… Did someone fart?
No price too high for bragging rights…makes one wonder about how universal are universal human rights…
It did not feel somehow weird when you were typing this?
That aside, my main complaint about Qatar is that there is no football culture to speak of, they bought the tournament like they buy cars collections and the stadiums were half-empty.
To be fair, anything sounds “somehow weird” when it’s either incomplete or out of context. You missed this bit:
Please do not condone this. There’s absolutely no need for context, read here for a list of appalling and shameful practices before and during the said world cup. All of them dully supported by the corrupt Qataris and the equally corrupt FIFA. Qatar should never have happened.
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I wasn’t condoning anything.
Yes, but I think the point is how the World Cup created change thereafter. Your link only describes before and during. If things have improved since the World Cup, isn’t that a good thing?
My point was that just clipping out bits of sentences to suit your own narrative is a bit dumb when the whole sentence giving a context that puts a more balanced light on it is a couple of posts above it.
I’m glad they’ve put in some rights and conditions for workers now, and if that was as a result of holding a competition which shone a spotlight on their bad practice then that’s good.
Can you link a trusted and verifiable report on this? I am unable to find anything on the topic apart from a few snippets of “European companies fined” because, of course its the Europeans fault. And Christian, Jewish and LGBT rights are as bad as before, probably even worse. Qatar should never have happened. It normalized the corrupt practice of authoritarian states paying for hosting prestigious events to make them look normal and to show that you can be as bad as the Qataris, but money solves all problems. (Saudis with F1, Russians with world cup)
I’ll remind you of my point. Again.
Oh, and this bit, too:
Really?! Do you have anything else on the topic or you’ll turn also THIS into a personal intifada?! I gave you specific examples, linked you trusted sources and you come up with a generic ad hominem. Quite typical unfortunately.
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FIFA have published a post Qatar 2022 sustainability report. It was one of the things Infantino promised as a response to critics back in 2022.
Dumb, huh? I did quote the “legacy of improved workers rights” bit explicitly because it provided quite a contrast to the 6.500 deaths. I thought.
Maybe you just shouldn’t stick your green little mod nose into everything?
A promise by a corrupt official is worth 0. I was asking ShirleyNot for proof of her statement the workers rights have improved post the world cup. I guess the fact that (officially) less the 6500 have died since then is a mathematical proof right? RIGHT?
Back on topic, a good article by the BBC. Obviously, not as critical to the England team as the FT one I linked above, but still good read.
‘A good thing for football’ - Spain’s victory caps off perfect campaign…"
The stats speak for itself
Spain: 7 wins
England: 3 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss
Before the game I did try and reason with some of my more delusional mates but hope springs eternal.
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