Getting fired, false reasons, RAV

Visas, Permits, Passports and Naturalization
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Yes this. And I would love to see their face when you tell them the story of how you got fired because you refused to show up at work. One of the RAV conditions is that you are actually ready and willing to work....

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I don't want to disclose too many details, however if the forum will be shut down, I hope this won't be seen by them anyways.

The reason why I have to go home is simply burnout and long absence from family (the company sent me on a delegation abroad).

My stay abroad ends this month, and I said I need few weeks (2-3) to go home, spend some time with family, repack my stuff etc. Still EU but not switzerland.

I would like to add that home office has never been a problem in the past, I did this many times, other colleagues did this as well. Out of sudden it became a reason to fire me.

(In general company is a mess. HR person says I must show up, the other guy who fired me told other team members that I finish in February and asked me to transfer all the files, close all the paperwork by the end of the month)

But what's bothering me the most, if they fired me because of unwilling to do (A), how they can possibly expect me to do (A). Because, logically, if I now do (A), the whole redundancy has no basis.

I am extremely unhappy right now with all the athmosphere that this situation created and I want to shut everything down asap. Mentally I can't imagine shoing up in that place after what I experienced and how they treated me.

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That means three months penalty or something else? And in this case what would be better, assuming I can't come back to work:

- signing the false document?

- not showing up at work?

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I am honeslty not sure how this all works, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

Can you elaborate more on the penalties please? I'm trying to wrap my head around it

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If you are on burnout, then get a doctor note and go on sick leave. That is the process.

Company is allowed to refuse 3 weeks holidays as well as 3 weeks working from another country (again corporate tax and social security liability).

You are not entitled to not show up.

The document they presented you was not "false" - it was the correct procedure.

Then they decided this will become a PITA to deal with and gave you notice as that is basically incontestable.in XH can be fired anytime, firing on the spot however is more tricky. They are just making life simple for themselves.

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In all fairness, I guess the feeling was mutual here. Honestly I didn't enjoy working for this company at all, I was already making a new CV, and have a lot of outstanding tasks to take care off that I simply can't do when working full time.

So yes, they looked for a reason, I gave them one, but that mess and manupulation that they do is just unbearable

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Sorry but no. How on earth asking someone to sign a document that states lie is a "correct procedure"? Show me the paragraph that says "company is allowed to produce documents that state false information and ask employee to sign it".

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Now I see you might be right on that

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So this has gone from not wanting to work the 1st of March, to not wanting to work most of march

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It's to simplify the story

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That's voluntarily quitting.

What kri says.

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You refusing to work is the same as quitting. Again it's not a false document, that is your perception.

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Makes the story VERY different. Any judge will have sympathy if you say they fired you on the spot for asking one day to attend your sick kid operation. If you however ask for "weeks" to work in a different country it's a totally different ball game.

How do you not get that?

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No, you need to start looking for jobs he moment you know that you will be unemployed, you only need to register at the unemployment office once you stop working (or earlier).

Tom

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That would be interesting solution, although in this case the company is still paying the salary, correct?

I don't need their money to be honest, but if that's the only sensible solution, worth considering.

Any idea how long this can last?

Honestly I just want to be as far as possible from this company, so looking for the cleanest solution possible

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If someone fires you and says that "you quit", that's false, isn't it? Or am I getting this wrong?

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And if these weeks were never a problem in the past, how come this is a problem now. How do you not get that?

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Thank you Tom.

I understand that registering at the unemployment office is only obligatory if you one wants to receive unemployment benefits?

If I do not care so much about it, I can as well skip it?

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Yes.

Tom

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Is it Friday?

Anyway, if you say "I will do this" and they say "If you do, you're fired" and you do "this", it's voluntary.

You made them fire you by your own actions. Your fault. Your responsibility. And forget about getting a doctors note. What an extraordinary coincidence - the day s/he wanted off and was told no, that's the day they decided to go sick. Not suspicious at all.