Help, Jaguar F-Pace or LR Discovery Sport

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Also to add to that, if you REALLY want a 4X4 FOR OFROAD - not the SUV that god know why that section of the market was invented for... - the real off road 4x4 engines have less HP than that and can go anywhere on the off-road, in that case its a matter more of the gearbox and diff., the other thing is the weight to power - or HP - ratio... you can have a go kart with 150 hp and will be way faster than a 300 hp car that weights tons!

A SUV its a fake 4x4, its not an Off Road vehicle and its just too big for the city, the cargo space usually is a joke - a normal car or a kombi would have the same and in some cases even more...

Dont know, might be that owners of the SUV feels superior by having a driving position above from other cars?

Anyway...

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If I were mad enough to buy a new car, and a low spec SUV at that, then I'd probably take the Stelvio.

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.......yes, the toboggan going up from Vevey to Chatel, 750BHP is quite sufficient to keep everybody behind

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I'd go with the Macan as it is the only SUV which keeps value. Apparently its good.

If that's out of the budget probably one of the new Skodas.

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I very much like the new VW T-Roc, and with a 300bhp R version in the pipeline it could very well be a poorer mans Macan.

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Just got back by coincidence as I'm looking at the LR Disco Sport. Amazing car though on that model you cannot raise or lower the suspension. I has 7 seats and if you lower the seats behind the front row you have a lot of cargo space.

I've had now about 9 Land Rovers, the Big Body, Sport, and Disco's and find them safe, reliable, hardy and come into their own in bad weather.

So to answer, go for the LR Disco Sport.

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Funny you should say that. I've driven a Captur too just now. It's in my garage now but I have to give it back tomorrow - thankfully.

Yes, I'd agree, it's not very refined but it's certainly no worse to drive than any other cheap, basic car. Gears and steering were fine but obviously inferior to a much more expensive German machine.

The VW Fox, for example, is much worse.

But, the better Renaults are completely different to drive - they are more refined, quieter and just feel much better - and still much cheaper than German cars.

They don't go wrong that much do they?

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You asked about service costs. New Jaguars and Land Rovers come with 4 year free servicing in Switzerland. It includes everything so it is free (i know that’s not the case for all brands but it does for their offer). You don‘t get that on the direct imports.

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Hate to break it down to you, but according to CAR Magazine (August 2018), the Stelvio beats the Macan.

I tried to find an online publication (as I have the paper format myself), but I could not find one - maybe somebody else can do it.

Just wanted to let you know

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Realistically no one apart from a few farmers need a 4wd, it's more for allroad than 4wd. I find the higher upright seating more comfortable and generally luggage space is bigger because of the height. When they weight 2500kg you lose efficiency but at 1800 kg or so it's just a different shape. Having said that my wife does like to harass other drivers which is easier in a big ass SUV.(No amount of nagging or coaching can change this habit! )

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Integral Swiss servicing still runs 500 to 1000 per service and having done an apprenticeship as a mechanic still makes me wince at the bill. But that is another story!

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Ok, I will try it again, this time extra slowly just for you:

1. Out of all car categories are SUVs the worst when it comes to keeping the value. Mostly because they aren't half as practical as advertised, the market is more than saturated and the maintenance costs are high. So the type of people who look for a good quality used family car in the 20-40k segment rather buy used estates.

2. Out of all European brands has Alfa been the one who consistently had the worst resell value.

That's why buying an SUV made by Alfa sounds like an all around terrible idea. I am not saying that the Stelvio is in any way a bad car. I am saying it will be a terrible investment as you lose money faster than you can say Alfa.

I personally don't like SUVs at all and don't see myself buying one. But if I had to give advice on where to put your hard earned cash would I recommend the Macan as it keeps the value way better than its peers. It seems to be the right balance between performance, practicality and of course the Porsche badge. I am not saying the Stelvio is the worst choice, I guess that would be one of the top model Cayennes, but the Stelvio will be a pretty close second. Only time will tell, but the last twenty years were pretty clear about the two factors I gave...

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I think that may have been true in anoother era, but IME free servicing in CH means exactly that. Only genuine consumables like tyres and brake pads are charged for - everything else including all fluids are included in the free service package.

No specific knowledge of the JLR package, but I expect that would be the same.

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My experience of Mercedes and Nissan differ, so 30Chuffs for oil and 15 Chuffed for washer fluid is unfortunately normal. Especially so when the washer fluid was full and they changed 13.5l oil with a sump capacity of 9.5 with filter!

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Very well put, I can agree that you're right about the value of the car. The Macan keeps the value better than the Alfa without a doubt.

But as cars (motoring, that is), CAR magazine put it very clear - the Stelvio beats the Macan despite inferior interior quality.

Short and concise - hope you can agree/understand this as well as I understood your point

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yep Merc and BMW charge for oil, coolant and washer fluid even on warranty repairs where the newly serviced engine has blown and pissed all that expensive oil and coolant over your drive (yes I'm looking at you bmw)

although merc replaced things like light bulbs and brake pads in the warranty period for free.

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More fool you then for accepting it then !

As soon as thisa happens you just tell them the details as to why you are not paying anything and the consequences of fraud proceedings

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and quick thinking mechanic would say something like they used a couple of liters of oil doing a flush.

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So wait 3/4 years and buy a second hand Stelvio for a great price.

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In principle true. The only problem is that buying a brand new one is as described a very unreasonable thing to do. So by definition are you buying an used car from an unreasonable person...

I really don't like SUVs but even I am tempted by the low prices that get you some monstrocity like a Cayenne turbo S with some drug dealer body kit and rims... spending less than 20k on something somebody dropped a quarter million on a few years back is kind of tempting.