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I remember when I was in my late teens / early twenties I was also of the absolutely certain mind that âI never want to have bloody kids!â for a multitude of reasons ranging from the whole indignity of pregnancy, smelly nappies, canât go out partying anymore, yada yada yadaâŚ
Iâm pretty glad I didnât do anything drastic and permanent at that age to prevent kids because my older self would have been pretty gutted.
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Itâs reversible. My sonâs primary school teacher had three kids, divorced his wife, re-married. The new wife wanted to have children with him. He got things stitched back together and now has a new family with new children.
And it doesnât work always. Friend of mine did it after two kids, now he has sixâŚ
(was in the 80s, maybe it works better todayâŚ).
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Not sure how reversible tied tubes or a hysterectomy is, though. Which would be the laydee equivalentâŚ
Also, apparently with reversing vasectomies, thereâs also a variable success rate.
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Female sterilization is usually not reversible, but itâs also much more expensive and complicated and is done under full narcosis.
I share an idea that a very young person cannot decide if they want to have kids in the future or not. If you read forums dedicated to female sterilization you can see so many posts from women that made this mistake when they were young and later they met parent and want to have kids, but cannot.
If I was the one to decide, I would only allow this surgery for people under 35 in exceptional cases (mental illness, disability, danger to life if woman gets pregnant, genetical illness which is likely to be passed to kids etc) or to people with at least two kids.
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Ah, sorry, I was anchored to the topic title (âSwiss men âŚâ) when writing my reply and had not realized you were referring to a womanâs equivalent procedure.
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Youâd have thought heâd have learned after the 3rd but certainly the 4th!
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Maybe it wasnât him ⌠
Not directed you personally but gender-affirming non-reversible sex-change treatment including surgery can be done in Switzerland from age eighteen (sometimes sixteen).
This may too prevent the person from having children.
The person may (and many do) change their mind at a later date and try to revert to the original sex (especially if they were young when they made the original decision to change.
There was a lot of discussion of this on Swiss forum with most people pro such procedures but I canât recall anyone saying that such procedures shouldnât be done until the person had reached a more mature age than their teens, let alone thirty-five years old.
There is a lot of hypocrisy on this forum.
I would not be in favour of these irreversible / difficult to reverse procedures (and those with major effects e.g. gender change) at the young age of 18.
But I think is difficult to really put effective simple rules on this as it must vary from case to case and shouldnât someone have over their own body even if you are trying to protect them from themselves.
We recognise this for children and have parents to limit their behaviour, at some stage, you have to let them decide for themselves. I would prefer to see an age limit of 26.
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Many years ago (the eighties) in Germany a friend in a drunken moment told me that his mentally handicapped sister had been sterilized againt the will of her family.
Zwangssterilzation, the law was stricken in 1992 that the government could force a sterilization without concent of the guardian and only totally repealed in 2023.
That is a nazi law if there ever was one. But if you read up the the Swissis wernt so squeaky clean because they had forced sterilization for eugenic reasons from 1929 onwards.
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I think the limit should be 18. You are old enough to understand consequences, old enough to vote, and do all the other adulting stuff. Guardrails should be in place; a cooling off period to properly think about it, options and alternatives, proper psychiatric help, etc.
Sure, there will be people with regrets later in life but thatâs surely part of life, and should be the responsibility of the individual. If theyâve had all the info, support and options put in front of them they cannot then turn around a decade later and say âWhy did you let me do this??â
I felt the same but would have never have had the balls do undergo vasectomy.
Also, as an options trader I like having optionality.
Cutting the cord seems so final.
Iâll see myself out.
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25 years old (as that is the age where the young adult brain generally stops developing).
This should be for any potentially irreversible procedure which affects normal sexual development and function if there is no medical reason to do it (cancers etc etc).
This obviously would include gender-affirmation surgery.
I donât think so. Many people at 18 havenât even left education and experienced any of the âreal worldâ. When you donât know what you donât know, I think it would be a failure to protect their future selves from their past immature selves.
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To be fair, itâs a moot point. The law is already in place that states 18 and, for vasectomies, there are procedures that reverse it and/or you can freeze your man-swimmers.
Not sure why the discussion veered off on the transgender route maybe we could syphon off those posts to the correct thread?
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I think the point, and the comparison I am making is pertinent on this thread and is not derailing it.
Unless the point is laboured by othersâŚ