Hi all,
And sorry if this has been discussed before.
I have a Permit C and a EU/Swiss car Driver license already and I want to know how can I get a motorcycle license for over 35kw.
Also how much approximately is the cost of an insurance. Let's say a bike of around 1.000cc and cost of 10k new
Thanks
Basic insurance will be about Fr. 100/yr, regular with a Fr. 500/yr deductible will be around Fr. 175, and full coverage will be about Fr. 250/year. Check out your specifics (age, canton, coveragea needs) in Comparis or similar platforms.
I just picked up my new bike (Honda Africa Twin), my insurance (Vollkasko with a few things left out) is CHF 500 / year. I am not sure I could have gotten it cheaper, as this was with one of the cheapest insurers I could find (Simpego).
This is in Kanton Zürich, 35+ years old, "new" A licence. Hope it helps
Your residence permit is not important. Having a car permit makes it a bit easier, as you do not have to pass a theory exam.
To get a license for motorcycles with more than 35 kW, you will have to do the follwing:
Apply for a restricted motorcycle learners permit (A 35 kW). Get a motorbike with not more than 35 kW and not more than 0.2 kW/kg. (Note that not all bikes can be power restricted, some only to 25 kW, and restriction must be done by a certified mechanic) Do the 12h mandatory basic motorcycle training within 4 months. Pass the practical exam (3 attempts) while learners permit is still valid (16 months) Ride 2 years a motorcycle with no more than 35 kW and not more than 0.2 kW/kg Apply for a unrestricted motorcycle learners permit (no sooner than 2 years after you passed the A 35 kW exam) Get a motorcycle with more than 35 kW (or unlock the full power of your your bike by a certified mechanic) Pass the practical exam (3 attempts) while learners permit is still valid (12 months)
Note: Since January 2021 there is no longer a direct access to A unrestricted.
Thanks! Who can tell me if a bike can be motor restricted? Because all the bikes I like are over 35kw
Yes, they can. but will cost 1k or so to do it.
Tom
Or just get an appropriate bike that you "don't like" until you can be licensed for the one that you "do like".
The dealership which serves this make/models. Anything built after Jan 2017 and with more than 70 kW cannot be restricted. Anything built before can potentially only be restricted to 25 kW. For some models there was never a Swiss homologated restriction kit and thus cannot be restricted. Price for restriction can range from CHF 200 to CHF 1000 depending on how restriction is done, how much work is needed, and how much money the dealership want to pocket. Once again, go to dealerships and discuss your needs. Do not forget to ask how much it costs to remove the restriction.
Couldn't agree more. Get a bike that you can "live with" for a while. You WILL upgrade anyhow. I don't know of a lot of people who stuck with their first bike very long (I have been riding since I got my license when I turned 18...which was in 1992).
Which bikes tickle your fancy? Maybe some of us can point you to similar models that will be suitable for your first year or so.
Well I quite high rider 1.94 cm and not all bikes suit me or feel comfortable. After searching so much I have a short list of 2 bikes: BMW F900xe and my favorite top Triumph scrambler 1.200 XE. I also like Triumph tiger 900 as a third option. They all have tunes down to 35kw as they told me in the dealers shop. Any ideas about tall riders are welcomed! Also how much the whole process of getting the license costs (lessons+exam)?
I find it interesting that as a tall rider that you would consider a Scrambler - that seems like a “short” bike that would not accommodate your legs.
Have you check this site? http://cycle-ergo.com/
FWIW, a friend of mine in Baden had a Triumph Tiger and absolutely loves it.
A guy on this list came down here to buy the big Triumph scrambler that a local guy was selling (he had the smaller one, but found it too small so gave it to his daughter and bought this one, which he found a perfect size), but he needed help as he didn't speak Italian, so I helped out.
Also helpful that I know the local Triumph dealer for 30 years almost, and that he speaks fluent English, so I sent the buyer to him sfterwards to check out the guarantee, etc.
Guy came with cash, 14.5k, mostly in 200s! Seller and I both found it weird, as normally people use 100k notes for such things!
Tom
A tip for any rider: Sit on the desired bike with proper motorcycle pants for at least 15 minutes. Once you have the bike you will sit on the bike for hours. Note that some bikes offer higher seats from factory, for all others you can get your seat lifted by a Sattler / upholstery.
I don't want to put you off any of these (especially the Triumphs, which I have a soft spot for as I used to work there when I was back in England), but just something I would recommend to consider, is that with big bikes like this you're really restricting them a long way down from how they were first designed. With modern ride-by-wire bikes, I think this is often done relatively well from an engine behaviour perspective (although haven't personally ridden these in restricted version), but there's no getting round the fact that you still have a bike with the weight of a 900/1200cc machine but the power of a 500. These heavier bikes are also not so "beginner friendly", depending on how confident you're feeling riding after taking your test.
As it sounds like you're looking at relatively new vehicles, presumably from a dealer; I would personally recommend just to also try a test ride on some of the smaller capacity machines (400-700cc range) that were designed from the start with the A2 licence in mind, so you have a comparison. Then you can easily decide what feels right for you.
You write:
Does it mean that in Switzerland, if one has a standard a swiss (converted from EU) cat-B driving license, it's only about driving hours and practical exam? In other EU-countries they will force you to take the theory.
Yes, and CH is not an EU country.
Tom
Cool - wow. Had I known that, I would have taken the 12h of riding lessons last summer.. I Postponed it, because I thought I would have to do the theory, did not have much time. Anyway, you live you learn
Maybe you also can explain how the "Learner" permit works ? Because I see on the homepages of motorcycle schools that many of them write: "Usually, people ride on the learner-permit for one season, and take the actual license next season" ..
If you did at least 8 hours of the couse, and have a B license, you can immediately do that.
My wife did, and also my daughter.
Tom
The Learner permit allows you to ride, but with restrictions. The few that I am aware of:
- must wear full gear
- must display the L plate
- cannot ride at night
I am sure that there are other restrictions (of course)
Don't think the full gear is true.
Nor the night thing.
Tom