non-factory rims, FZ Ausweis

I'm looking for rims to use for the winter tires, is reifendirekt the only site in Switzerland to search for rims and tires?

check ricardo.ch for sets of wheels / rims.

problem is that i already have winter tires... should have gone for the combo

most sets offered have old tires that need to be replaced anyway.

What kind of car is it actually?

123Pneus .ch

You can buy wheel and/or tyres..

Can hit the used and abused market here

https://www.tutti.ch/de/li/ganze-sch...ehoer?q=felgen

Otherwise can try this place: https://www.local.ch/de/d/obfelden/8...P4VproHpukxkdw

Got my last rims there. A set of Platins: https://www.platin-wheels.com/en/whe...58-gunmetal-1/

But they were imported from Germany and had to get em certified at the motor vehicle.

Still came out ahead with a nice set of rims for the winter season.

I did the search in FR. Just change it to DE if you need to.

https://www.pneus-online-suisse.ch/jantes.html

https://www.tirendo.ch/jantes

Folks, I heard that additional non-factory rim sets should be properly administered in FZ Ausweis; any experience, intel on this?

My Honda is just due for inspection, I bought it 2yrs back with an extra set of Winter tyres (on rims), and wasn't aware that it must had been documented on the grey form too by former owner.

Any experience if it's a big issue? (I'm in Canton ZH, and it's the same 17col, however in winter I use a bit narrower tyres 205/50 vs the original 225/45).

Could I still try the inspection, or it's better to change to the factory summer set?

Can I get a fine if stopped for a proper road inspection?

I would be happy to fix it in FZ Ausweis, my worry is that I dont have any formal receipts for that rim set, and I guess SVA would ask for that, right?

is it mandatory to have the second set registered in FZ Ausweis?

how did you do it?

any idea if it's possible if no proper invoice is available? (e.g. if he just buys something secondhand w/o papers)

No. If the rims are a dimension and material which is listed in the cars type approval nothing has to be done. If dimension or material is not listed in the cars type approval you will need a supplier conformity statement (Lieferantenbestätigung) which certifies that the rims are suitable for your car. Keep a copy in your car and be able to present it in case of an inspection.

For more detailed information see the official ASA fact sheet No. 19 which is available in French and German.

https://asa.ch/it/biblioteca-online/promemoria/

Rims are usually not listed in the gray card.

Anyway, if the rims are have dimension and are made of a material which is listed in the cars type approval nothing has to be done. If dimension or material is not listed in the cars type approval you will need a supplier conformity statement (Lieferantenbestätigung) which certifies that the rims are suitable for your car. Keep a copy in your car and be able to present it in case of an inspection.

For more detailed information see the official ASA fact sheet No. 19 which is available in French and German.

https://asa.ch/it/biblioteca-online/promemoria/

A tyre or rim dealer can look up and print out the relevant parts of the cars type approval. Simply request a TARGA-tyre extract. You will need a the gray card and may have to pay a small fee for the service if you are not a regular customer.

If all clearances are met tyre dimensions are allowed to vary according ETRTO specifications and within +/-8% in diameter (considering nothing else was changed in the drive train).

Thats not what your own link says: Any wheels that are not type approved have to be announced and tested. Its a rim that is type approved for a car, not the other way around.

Nobody in real life does this, so you want to get type approved wheels. I kept it simple and bought wheels that were made by the cars manufacturer and sold with the same model of car. Nobody has ever questioned them or looked for the papers... if it has to be aftermarket wheels go get the document from the seller. Dont buy any wheels that dont come with them, especially from abroad, even if the same wheel is sold in CH: Some importers seem to use those docs as the USP why people have to buy from them... and charge you for a copy.

As the link shows is there an approval procedure if you absolutely possitively need those wheels that dont sell in CH and they meet the stringent security requirements. I wonder how much that costs... probably not the business case for some cheap winter tires.

" mit dem Fahrzeugtyp genehmigt" - In the cars type approval or CoC listed.

Otherwise see Section 4.5.2.1 in the higher ranking ASA guideline 2a

https://asa.ch/wp-content/uploads/we...ndex.html#p=60

It is a modification of class A if the rims are listed on the cars type approval. A class A modification does not need any formalities like tests, papers, or special entry in the gray card.

We have a similar problem. We didn't know that our winter rims had to be tested and we have been using them for 5 winters and that we failed to pass an inspection in StVA. I was trying to appoint an inspection at [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) and sent them the only document we received when we bought the rims (we have them delivered from Austria), it's called Gutachten zur Erteilung eines Nachtrags zur ABE and I've got an answer that it's not enough and we have to provide either "ABE (Allgemeine Betriebserlaubnis) zum TÜV oder eine CH Eignungserklärung vom Schweizer Importeur". I have no idea what it is.

I think they will let you know whether your rims are appropriate during negotiation of the appointment as you have to send all the documents to them beforehand.

I presume they are not standard steel rims then?

By standard I mean generic.

thx, the last part with ‘Marke’ makes me worry..

It is also same dimension 17col etc rim set, but it's from MOM and not Honda..

As I said, when I bought the car 2 yrs back I wasnt aware of this, and dont even have an invoice..

So has anyone been in the same shoes? Should I worry? any chance to work it out w/o papers if necessary?

Looking at the above answers, what confuses me is that I see quite an active second hand rim market on internet.. would be surprised if they all have proper certificates etc to register..

They are not standard, but still 17col, Alloy

Thx, so did you end up doing the prüfung with the original set?

As for docs I only have the FZ Ausweis and a nicely yearly updated service book

We did the inspection with the summer wheels in the end, but now we need to have our winter rims checked. I will be writing E-Mail to the shop today, I hope they will be able to provide us necessary papers. If no, we probably have to buy new rims. The guys from StVA told us that if we got caught by police on these rims it will cost us lots of money.

It would be rare for a bog standard family car to have a make restrictions. This is more likely with sports cars, trucks, etc.

As said, get an TARGA-Tyre extract from a tyre or rim dealer and see what is actually listed in your cars type approval.

ABE is the name of the German type approval issued by the KBA (Kraftfahrtsbundesamt). As far as I am aware only the Germans authorities issue type approvals for rims themselves. If an aftermarket item has a German ABE which lists your vehicle you are all good. An ABE is a document of hierarchy class 1 which is the highest possible see Section 3.2 in ASA 2a https://asa.ch/wp-content/uploads/we...ndex.html#p=13 . You might to have the item inspected and get them listed in the gray card to be fully legal.

Check the rims if there is somewhere a marking of the like of KBA 12345. If yes then there is a corresponding ABE document. Contact the manufacturer/main distributor of the rims to get a copy of the ABE document. If your car is listed on the document you are all good.

CH Eignungserklärung vom Schweizer Importeur: Swiss statement of conformity from a Swiss importer: This is a document according Swiss regulations. It is not a type approval per se but just a conformity from the importer that the rims are suitable for the car and according Swiss regulations. A bit like the Austrian document you got. This document is available from the company which imports and sells the rims in Switzerland. It might cost a fee of up to some hundred CHF (With issuing of the document the importer takes over some product liability). If there is no Swiss importer such a document might most likely not exists.