Speed cameras / radar

many modern normal powered cars are only front-wheel drive so no good for burnouts.

German makes M-Benz and BMW power cars are mainly rear wheel drive so ideal for burning rubber.

On sunny days and safe spaces such as tracks :grin:

Burnouts are for losers. RWD is for the kings of the windy roads.

Naaahhh…drifting.

Is not burnout. I am up.

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I will neither comfirm or deny it’s possible to make spin the tires of a FWD car like the Nissan Sentra. When there’s a will there’s a way. Not on publics roads and wear a helmet :innocent:

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Or supermarket car parks

Sadly, last year here in CH someone found a way to fool around in a snow covered parking, end up in a river and someone died. There are times and places.

I remembered something from MTB downhill, it’s possible to go a bit further when the ambulance is there waiting for you. But just a bit further. Otherwise you’re gone. A few broken bones and it’s OK.

If we really want to be accurate on this thread, front-wheel drive cars are much easier to do burnouts, all else being equal. Weight transfer works in your favour, if only for a single moment that you just need to initiate, and handbrake clamping the rear wheels make it much easier for anyone to do it.

RWD burnouts are actually more difficult to do, it’s just that generally speaking RWD cars tend to be more powerful, so just have more power than most FWD cars. Also their target audience would be one that is more likely to go for burnouts.

Another one bites the dust!

YouTuber Jack Doherty crashed his $200K McLaren while livestreaming on Kick during a rainy highway drive near Miami. Distracted while fiddling with his phone, he lost control and slammed into a guard rail.

Instead of checking on his still-bleeding friend or worrying about the mess he left on the highway, he was more upset about his wrecked car.

If the Swiss dude lost his driver’s license, I don’t see why Doherty shouldn’t, especially since his crash seemed far more serious and hazardous to others on the road.

And what is their target audience? Young males in their twenties? Or frustrated middle-aged are up for this fun too?
Btw, I’ve noticed some men go crazy after 40 or so and start buying cars that are way out of their league (or needs)…Ok, maybe I’m a bore but this is what I think when I see the new cars of some of our friends. OH says I’m too judgemental. :joy:

That reminds me of a bloke I often see walking his dog along the same stretch of forest as me and our pupper. He exchanged whatever sturdy family car he had for a nippy little MX5, now that his kids have all but flown the nest, but clearly forgot he had a generously sized dog. It’s an unexpected pleasure watching him bend and fold his wet, muddy Vizla into the passenger seat.

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So you would agree that there is a link between some types of cars and a certain behaviour?

I fully agree. Camping vans blocking the overtaking lane in the motorway :slight_smile:

I searched for accidents statistics in Switzerland by car brand and model, but I remembered published stats are by citizenship. So, all we can do is compare drivers from X country to Y country.

Some stats from the US show BMW in a sad 6th place of driving incidents per 1k drivers per year. Driving incidents: accidents , insurance claims, fines, citations, etc. Only redeeming outcome is a 1st place in DUIs for BMW drivers.

Less gossip and more relevant stats, it seems men only know how to drive between 35 and 75 YO. Younger or older and we are damned good at crashing :rofl:

Maybe when considering overall “incidents” you can look at the most numerous makes/models of car, though. Presumably if the market is flooded with a couple of popular makes, statistically (probability?), they will be the ones most likely to be involved in some kind of incident. Currently, it seems the VW is the most popular brand in Switzerland closely followed by BMW and Merc , however Tesla is apparently the “rising star” so perhaps in a few years we’ll be bemoaning them as being the cars to watch out for when trying to avoid a collision?

Quarter of a million cars registered in Switzerland in 2023

To find the winner, Comparis used its 200.000-car-strong listing service to calculate the most-searched-for vehicle types and brands in Switzerland last year. 14 million vehicle searches were analysed by the comparison website, which were taken between January and December 2023.

Last year, 256.000 new vehicles were registered in Switzerland, up 12 percent compared to 2022 but still much lower than in 2019 when 300.000 new cars hit the roads.

In terms of sheer numbers, Volkswagen was the most commonly bought brand of car last year, with 28.350 new VWs taking to Swiss roads and motorways. Volkswagen was followed by German rivals BMW and Mercedes-Benz with 21.300 and 19.950 new registrations respectively. Comparis noted that the most commonly sold model of car in Switzerland last year was Tesla’s Model Y at 6.200 sales.

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There doesn’t need to be an accident for a driver to be a menace to other road users.

I’ve already pointed out incidents of cyclists being “frightened” by a passing car and the Police taking no action against the driver (which they can’t anyway).

Someone could tailgate all their life and otherwise drive aggressively but never appear in an accident statistic.

I’d love to be that guy, driving like an idiot and nothing happens but such thing as perfect crime exists. Back to the real world, exposure to hazards leads to accidents. Consistent bad driving ends in accidents and in stats.

That’s the approach of the police around here. Cameras and roadside checks enable police to catch and filter the most problematic drivers. Someone consistently doing idiotic stuff is caught at some point for X or Y reasons. If a driver doesn’t respect people (pedestrians, cyclists), do you think this driver will respect stop lights, asphalt markings, parking regulations or won’t end comitting in serious speeding offenses? No, not at all.

The exception here is as we get old our capacities decay and the filter for that can be improved. There’s also no filter for polymedication and driving. Law says it’s the driver’s duty to not drive when affected by medicine, life would be simpler if doctors shared data with cantonal road offices. But, this is minor and can be improved.

We should raise the driving age to 35 and ban driving after 70!

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There are already preventative measures in place in many countries - for younger drivers some are required to have black boxes measuring speed and acceleration etc which can be examined by the insurance company in case of an accident.

For older people, periodic re-tests are required.

I sometimes read the Police reports on accidents rather than reports in the newspapers of those same accidents as they don’t tend to use unnecessary superlatives in describing incidents like Blick yesterday with the discussed BMW crash which have now been strangely edited out).
Anyway, many old people have single vehicle accidents where their feet slip and they drive into walls or other vehicles which is only made worse if they are driving high-powered cars, or much worse, EVs with the weight and massive torque.

In Kanton Zug a few weeks ago, an elderly person wrote off or damaged five cars whilst trying to get out of a car park!

No we shouldn’t.