Tesla EV discussion

I doubt it. They probably have a lot of electric Smarts.

The market for Model 3 and Y is really limited.

Most of the cars in this price bracket are leased by businesses and then sold used.

Just come back from the UK via Belgium, Netherlands and Germany.

Its interesting just how much cheaper it was to charge in the Netherlands (Almere).

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Comparing Troisdorf with others that last 5% took 10 minutes. Almost a quarter of the total time.

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Its really that last 1% when it goes into calibrate mode (to balance the battery cells) that takes forever.

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Forgot to mention, the Dietikon Supercharger stop is really nice. It has clean toilets, sofas, TV, games console, table football, ping pong etc… and reasonably priced vending machines.

How much was the actual charging costs though. :smile:

Nvm, just looked at the chart. The most expensive by 59 centimes.

Yup, however the strong franc might be skewing it somewhat.


Huge lithium-mining protest triggers crisis meeting in Serbia

Environmental activists fear the project will pollute land and water in Serbia’s western Jadar region.

A massive protest in Serbia against a lithium-mining project prompted President Aleksandar Vučić to call a government crisis meeting in the early hours of Sunday.

Tens of thousands of through the capital of Belgrade on Saturday to demonstrate against the opening of what could become one of the largest lithium mines in Europe. Industry is keen to secure supplies of the crucial raw material for electric-car batteries.

Around 30,000 marchers [took to the streets] to protest against the opening of a lithium mine by the Australian-British mining consortium Rio Tinto. Environmental activists fear the project will pollute land and water in [Serbia’s western Jadar region] where the deposit is located.

Demonstrators have organized nearly 50 protests since June in an effort to persuade the Serbian government to halt the project and to ban geological exploitation.

Saturday’s protest ended with the blockage of two train stations, and Serbian authorities said it breached the law. Government officials labeled the actions politically motivated and said they were an effort to bring down the president and the government, Reuters [reported]

Vučić claimed on Friday in a national speech that he was informed by Russian security services that [“a coup d’état”] against him was being prepared.

Lithium is used in electric car batteries and has become increasingly coveted in automotive supply chain reorganization.

The Rio Tinto project has been officially backed by the European Union. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and European Commission Vice President Maroš Šefčovič [signed deals] last month granting EU car makers such as Germany’s Mercedes-Benz and French-Italian automaker Stellantis exclusive access to Serbian lithium.

I wonder if these protesters also don’t have mobile phones, electric toothbrushes, shavers, kids‘ toys, bike lights…

NIMBYism at its best (or worst).

They do, for example, same like Germans who have the largest deposits of lithium in Europe.

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But surely we have the technology to mine without damaging the environment. Yes it will cost more, in the short term, but it would be worth it.

Red and white is a winning combo, I wanted to keep mine as cheap as possible so went with the ubiquitous white paint + white interior as the only option added.

It should make it easier to find mine in a Zug car park

This seems like sloppy journalism since car manufacturers don’t mine lithium or make batteries. Mercedes at least gets its batteries from CATL in China, who also produce batteries for many other manufacturers e.g. Tesla.

In Germany you mean? Great news!

In case you missed it, Serbian deal is sponsored by Scholz who recently visited Serbia to lobby for German automakers. Makes you wonder why he doesn’t dig it in Germany but goes to Serbia instead, I wonder?

Saving it for later :smile:

Musk’s repeated outbursts against advertisers have dried up the main source of revenue for the loss-making company formerly known as Twitter.
A recent decision to sue them for heeding his own advice to not buy ads on the platform hasn’t helped.
At some point, he will have to provide a fresh infusion of cash to salvage his $44 billion takeover.

This means selling Tesla shares to raise billions which will likely depress the share price.

I may be missing something, but did Serbia become a part of Germany, so German government is extending its sovereignty over Serbia?

In any case, this is kind of deja vu as already seen in 1914 and 1941 and we all know how it ended.

Franziska Brantner, Parliamentary State Secretary at Germany’s Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Action, said the question isn’t whether lithium in Serbia would be mined or not, but if Rio Tinto and European partners would do it or China.

Today was the second time I drove a e-car. My Opel Astra “Blitzi” needed an oil change so They gave me a Opel Mocca. Lovely car with quite a bit of Humpf when you kick it. The first one was a Kia. Another nice car… Don’t get me wrong, I really tried to convince myself that E cars are the way forward and perhaps they have their market as a shopping basket or a kindergarten Bomber… But I had to load tha damn Mokka three times after its piddling 200 km range ran out…
I would love an electric car but my diesel Astra points and laughs at them.

The Mokka is a particularly bad example.

Go and testdrive a Model Y :wink:

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