As of April 3, 2025, a total of 607 confirmed* measles cases (97% unvaccinated) were reported by 22 jurisdictions: Alaska, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York City, New York State, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, and Washington.
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And the Swiss govt is now throwing away 1.3 billion franks in unused vaccine. The Corona scam!!!
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Another child, an eight-year old girl, has died from measles complications in Western Texas.
She was unvaccinated.
Trump has said that the current measles outbreak is normal but if things get worse, he’s going to take strong action.
I hope that action includes sacking his Health Secretary.
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It’s only normal in his head and in that of his health secretary, it’s not normal if children are properly vaccinated according to the approved vaccine schedule.
I would expect Trump and his sheep to understand the concept of herd immunity though.
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How quickly he changes his tune now he is on the inside carrying the responsibility instead of sniping from outside.
I am anyway happy to see this.
RFKjr: MMR vaccine is the “most effective way” to prevent measles spread
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/06/kennedy-measles-vaccine-texas-visit
Although he has actually been quite careful in his wording - he has told parents that they ought to speak to their doctors about getting their children vaccinated rather than telling parents that they ought to get their children vaccinated.
I’m sure he’s doing this so he doesn’t totally alienate the crack-pot conspiracy types who have supported him as his wording suggests that there is still an element of risk.
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Oh no…so avoidable and yet so tragic. Some vaccines should be compulsory…sorry, but there’s no other way around certain issues.
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That’s far from new, but of course the lying mainstram media ignore it.
JFK Jr a month ago on the outbreak:
Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.
From the link to Axios in my post that you quoted.
" In the face of criticism of his handling of the federal response to the outbreak, Kennedy wrote an op-ed for Fox News Digital last month with the headline “Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us” and the subheading “MMR vaccine is crucial to avoiding potentially deadly disease.”
He’s part of the problem. His previous stance on such vaccinations was that he was constantly pushing the anti-vax line, and we don’t need to rely on “mainstream media” to see that it came directly from the horse’s mouth during interviews and podcasts, unless people think he was somehow “forced” to have that opinion and use his platform to spread it. Who knows what crazy stuff people like to believe these days?
For example:
“Measles outbreaks have been fabricated to create fear that in turn forces government officials to ‘do something.’ They then inflict unnecessary and risky vaccines on millions of children for the sole purpose of fattening industry profits.”
Batshit.
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Axios ignored it for more than a month, the rest of the bunch entirely.
This is the controversial take, also mentioned in the Fox News article. Yes, vitamin A supplements helps malnourished children around the world to die less from measles. Only caveat, there are estimates than less than 1% of children in the US have vitamin A deficiency because no famine in the US.
Thus, vitamin A supplements are useless. All while giving people a sense of dumb comfort.
It is also our responsibility to provide up-to-date guidance on available therapeutic medications. While there is no approved antiviral for those who may be infected, CDC has recently updated their recommendation supporting administration of vitamin A under the supervision of a physician for those with mild, moderate, and severe infection. Studies have found hat vitamin A can dramatically reduce measles mortality.
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There are a few children who have been admitted to hospital with vitamin A poisoning due to Kennedy’s remarks.
They’ll rightly ignored that bullshit article - he’s talking about anti-virals, vitamin A, good nutrition.
Mainstream media were right to ignore it (although not all did)
Measles has no cure. He should have directly told parents to get their children vaccinated.
He has not done that because still believes that the MMR vaccination causes autism and has not stated that it doesn’t.
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This was announced just a few weeks ago:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is planning a large study into potential connections between vaccines and autism, two sources familiar with the matter told Reuters, despite extensive scientific research that has disproved or failed to find evidence of such links.
@Roxi: Kennedy’s authority includes the CDC.
Why is this study going ahead and why has Kennedy refused to put his name to it?
Do you think he’s hedging his bets because he still foolishly thinks there is a link?
One won’t be found but as he hasn’t been directly linked to the study, they’ll be no blame on his part.
Why can’t you see that the man’s a charlatan? What do you see that most sane people don’t?
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Historic data demonstrate that circumstances (hygiene, nourishment, etc) indeed improve survival rates. The US case fatality rate dropped from 13 per 100k in 1919 to 0.2 by 1963, after which the vaccine became available.
Which aspects are the most relevant might be a matter of debate, and they’re certainly less impactful nowadays than back then, but the fundamental assessment is quite clear.
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That’s true, mortality rate due to measles decreased even before the vaccine because people were not living anymore in awful cramped apartments and malnourishment decreased a lot.
By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases).
But, it’s not the whole truth. Those poor that end up with encephalitis may have won the lottery of lifetime disability. Also, hospitalizations are not cheap.
Nevertheless, in the late 1950s, serious complications due to measles remained frequent and costly. As a result of measles virus infections, an average of 150,000 patients had respiratory complications and 4000 patients had encephalitis each year; the latter was associated with a high risk of neurological sequelae and death. These complications and others resulted in an estimated 48,000 persons with measles being hospitalized every year.
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article-abstract/189/Supplement_1/S1/820569?redirectedFrom=fulltext
It’s not clear what point you’re trying to make here. Yes, a better understanding of hygiene and better treatment regimes, including but not limited to antipyretic drugs like paracetamol, reduced mortality rates from a huge range of illnesses over that half-century period. So what?
Well yes, to most sane people it’s clear that the vaccine works, and that without it the chances of catching an always-serious, sometimes (still) fatal illness are hugely greater.
You almost seem to be suggesting that just because many fewer people will die from it now it doesn’t matter if they catch it. As if the lives of the 2 people in a million of the population who died from it in 1963 don’t matter because there were only two of them. That would still make around 700 deaths per year in the US alone, you realise?
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Why is it with all these discussions on here, it’s only black and white - you die, or you live. There seems to be no in-between.
It’s much more complicated than that:
Measles can cause:
Encephalomyelitis.
Long term lung damage.
Sclerosing panencephalitis
(This can occur ten years after measles, is a degenerative neurological condition and is fatal with no treatment).
Immune system damage.
There’s also long hospital stays and missing school.
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A quick keyword search of the thread suggests that there is a similar tendency for people to use “complications” when describing the effects of being unvaccinated, so it seems that most people have the measure of it. Didn’t do an overall count of it but it looks like most contributors also consider the wider implications, too.
That’s just not what he gets criticised for. “Supportive care” neither claims to be preventative nor curative.
But it comes form someone who’s been decreed bad therefore it is bad.