Fauci himself admitted there was no data supporting the social distancing recommendation.
And I’m not going to spend the evening hunting down links for you. You can find the testimony of the Pfizer execs admitting that they knew early on that the COVID vaccine had no positive impact on the spread of the disease. And yet we were told we had to take the vaccine to stop the spread of the disease…
Our entire political and scientific communities took a huge credibility hit in the last few years, and this is going to have long-term negative repercussions for us going forward.
The sad part is that a lot of people are not as clever as you so did/do not understand the difference between mRNA vaccines and conventional vaccines and just got a message that vaccines are not good.
The result is that innocent children are dying because they were not vaccinated.
We should not be trying to sweep these deaths of innocents out of sight
Not true.
They said that testing the impact on the spread of the disease was not part of the government standard vaccine approval testing.
Nobody said “no positive impact”.
Fair enough, I stand corrected. However I was still forced, softly, to take the vaccine under the guise that it stops the spread of COVID when it had not been tested if it does so.
I do not remember exactly which was the main cause of his scepticism re. the anti-covid vaccines. However, I do remember the persistent inputs on a theme he/they actually had no idea of. Nobody had. Many people were scared of this pandemic and were looking very hopefully to getting vaccinated so they can protect themselves and others around them. In this regard, his discourse and sense of doom and gloom were very annoying.
I do not (necessarily) agree with all the literal abuses and the contradictions that have been emerged during the pandemic; but it is all in hindsight now.
It is very useful to look back with more objectivity and honesty.
About the vaccines though…yes they were/are a good thing and I am not willing to debate this point any further. Yes, there was a new technology but then again medicine, science, they’re always evolving aren’t they.
Agree with you. It was an interesting time and with the benefit of hindsight (or competent people in power) we would likely have done very many things differently.
However, that’s already been hashed out in over in 36’000 posts, so I think most of us have had enough
Don’t worry, I will not do that, I had enough of those discussions on EF. I was merely saying I agree with some of the posters here, but TC wasn’t my hero. These things are up to the governments, NGOs etc. It is amusing though that it seems we are set to drag all those discussions and asperities back here… that was all from my part.
Sorry to drag this back on track. I followed the OP’s link in the first post and found this
The vaccination status of the sick children in Florida is not currently known, but state Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo has said it’s up to Manatee Bay parents to choose when it is safe for their kids — vaccinated or not — to return to school.
Absolutely insanity. Infectious children allowed to return to school to infect other children.
This could qualify for the Darwin awards except it’s not the perpetrator that get seriously ill or dies, it’s the children.
Regretably it isn’t just the children of anti-vaxers that will sicken and perhaps die, it will be chidren already ill from other conditions, who can’t be vaccinated, that will suffer.
When I had measles as a child, there was no vaccine.
It was not uncommon for parents to actually want their kids to catch measles, mumps etc from infected children in order to get the inevitable over with at a convenient time…
I couldn’t agree with you more. It is perfectly possible to debate this topic without dragging personal gripes with another person into it, another person who isn’t even on this forum.
It was uncalled for and unnecessary.
Before moving to Switzerland I worked in vaccine research for a very large pharmaceutical company and even I was sceptical about mRNA vaccines as were some of my ex-colleagues there. It’s a perfectly normal reaction to have to something new which was developed very quickly and it’s entirely reasonable for people to question it.
It’s also slightly disingenuous of John Hopkins to use the Covid vaccination programme as a potentially major cause of the increase in measles cases. Resistance to the measles vaccine and to a lesser extent vaccines in general is something that has been ongoing since the whole Wakefield debacle back in the nineties, especially in the US. Measles cases have been on the rise for a long time, long before Covid was a thing.
What is your take then on mRNA soon being able to prevent (or cure?) cancer? My layman view is that the forced push from Covid probably accelerated the mRNA development by a decade, so that is good I think. Then, there is “I Am Legend”
Vaccines available in 1950s in the UK were - diphtheria, whooping cough and smallpox.
Then came polio vaccinations in the late 1950s. Measles vax was introduced in the early 1970s…
This graph of US MMR vaccination takeup shows in the school year 2019-20 the level was over the WHO recommendation of 95%, then started to decline during the pandemic.
You can see the details here.
Still the case today that many people don’t vacinate against chicken pox. Both of mine are vaccinated and they regularly have discussions with peers about it and how its useless etc. I am happy to have avoided it for them especially with what we know now and how the virus can remain dormant and wake up later…
As I understand it, measles refers to the Rubeola virus, whereas German measles refers to the Rubella virus. The traditional vaccine in the USA is called MMR - measles, mumps and rubella - so it covers both viruses.
According to the Mayo clinic,
“Rubella isn’t the same as measles, but the two illnesses share some signs and symptoms, such as the red rash. Rubella is caused by a different virus than measles, and rubella isn’t as infectious or as severe as measles. The measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is safe and highly effective in preventing rubella.”
that was all from my part.
