Vaccines are really necessary

The MMR vaccine has some weird and undeserved reputation i.e. to have caused autism in some kids. I take it the outbreak of rubeola might have something to do with these theories.

Agreed.

In the UK with the current measles outbreaks, one in five children require a hospital visit. One in fifteen get a complication such as sepsis or meningitis.

NHS link

This is not something you invite your children to catch.

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I’m confused. I thought I was reading EF initially.

Does anyone know where I can get Ivermectin? I’ve a bit of a cough…

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I thought I was still reading EF since I noticed this topic…which in turn makes one a bit…reactive. We should have let marton deal with this issue as I had enough discussions on covid, vaccines, ivermectin… :smiling_face_with_tear:

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Sorry, but I have to wait for my gold star badge.

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Well maybe you’ll win that gold badge of honour here too…but the Ivermectin stuff and the anti-vax movement will be still alive and kicking!! Keep up the good fight is all I can say… :slight_smile:

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More potential benefits of mRNA vaccines

Pancreatic ductal adenocarcinoma (PDAC), the most common type of pancreatic cancer, is one of the deadliest cancer types. Despite modern therapies, only about 12% of people diagnosed with this cancer will be alive five years after treatment.

There was a small trial of mRNA for this condition. After surgery to remove PDAC, the team sent tumor samples from 19 people to partners at BioNTech. They then used that information to create a personalized mRNA vaccine for 18 of the 19 study participants.

Sixteen volunteers stayed healthy enough to receive at least some of the vaccine doses. In half of these patients, the vaccines activated powerful immune T-cells, and by a year and a half after treatment, the cancer had not returned in any of the people who had this strong T-cell response. In contrast, among those whose immune systems didn’t respond to the vaccine, the cancer recurred within an average of just over a year.

The researchers are currently planning to launch a larger clinical trial of the vaccine.

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Disturbing that uptake for long established vaccines has declined due to Covid. Perhaps a fresh campaign would help to reassure the importance of these, rather than citing Covid vaccines as a benchmark, as it was irrelevant to MMR ,Polio etc… program

Perhaps we should wait until after 9 June as we are voting on doing the opposite. Unlikely to pass but it does show resistance remains to protecting children.

Time to reintroduce mandatory vaccinations… anyone had smallpox recently? No? You can thank mandatory vaccinations…

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What I find interesting is the time frames in which a country recommends having your vaccinations updated. In Germany they say every 10 years, here only every 15 years.

Pertussis (whooping cough) has made a come back in the UK with a few babies dying and many more very sick.

We can probably thank the anti-vaccine brigade for this.

The current Primary Immunisation Schedule against tetanus in the UK is 5 doses of tetanus vaccine (REVAXIS). 3 doses in the first year of life, 1 dose pre-school and the final dose around 10 years later .

Yea, but there is more than just tetanus?

A little OT here, but my godmother was a WHO doctor on the Smallpox Zero team. The suffering and needless waste she saw in Africa and Asia never beat her down. She died after a fall in 1980, having seen the triumphant end of the programme hailed as “a global achievement.”

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So which ones were you posting about?
Tdap is the only one I know of with a ten year update in Germany

AFAIK, tetanus vaccination has to be renewed regularly till the end of your life. Especially if you wound yourself or have a surgical manipulation in the wound. My husband had an abscess removal during holidays and he was told to check his vaccination status as soon as possible and if he didn’t have tetanus vaccination in the last 10 yeas, to have it asap.

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But not in the UK, same as in Denmark.

The World Health Organisation no longer recommends adult booster doses.
“To sustain MNTE and protect all persons from tetanus, WHO recommends that 6 doses of tetanus-containing vaccine be given to all persons from childhood to adolescence.”

Here is a recent study “Review of >11 billion person-years of incidence data revealed no benefit associated with performing adult booster vaccinations against tetanus or diphtheria.”

Not “regularly”, no. Last few times I’ve been to ER in CH for things like craft-knife cut, infected cat bites, they’ve explicitly stated the rule of thumb they use, exact details of which I misremember, but it’s something like every five years until age 40, every ten years until 60, no more needed after that. Something like that anyway. So I’ve not had a booster for probably fifteen years or more now.

Yes, as per Marton it’s not about age per se, but the number of times overall, so the age rule is assuming previous boosters have been done.

« In Switzerland, 2 doses of tetanus vaccine are given during the standard immunisations for babies. This is usually at 2 and 4 months. Then there’s a 3rd dose given at 12 months, and a 4th dose between the ages of 4 and 7. These first 4 doses of the tetanus vaccine are given combined with other vaccines to avoid too many injections at once.

Another dose of tetanus is recommended for adolescents between the ages of 11 and 15. A further booster advised when you reach 25. Adults need a tetanus booster every 20 years between the ages of 25 and 64. And from age 65, every 10 years because the immune system tends to weaken with age.

Sometimes more frequent vaccination with tetanus is suggested, for example for people travelling to various high-risk countries, those with immune system deficiencies, or if you have a particularly dirty skin wound because carries a higher chance of tetanus infection. »

This is what we were told and this fits in with the schedule our son followed here, he’s 24 and after reading his vaccination records the army gave him the tetanus booster when he started recruit school in January this year.
He was up to date with everything but they offered a multitude of facultative vaccines to the recruits if they wanted them, the one they were pretty insistent on was the tick borne encephalitis vaccine as they are often in high tick areas.

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