Will you vote in the European elections on 9 June?

Come again?! Have you been day drinking?

Neither do I, I clicked on somebody else’s post to reply to.
The fickle finger of fate strikes again. :slight_smile:

You have been all over the place since you had this airplane populist epiphany some days ago.

https://swissforum.co.uk/t/us-election-2024-and-us-politics-in-general/257/862

Probably irony and all …

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What is most ironic is your continuous inability to see the root cause of the problem. Le Pen, AfD, etc are a symptom of something broken. You treat them as the problem, I prefer to hope that politicians will address the real problem. Alas, looking at voters’ instincts this might be in vain. But hey, every nation deserves its leaders, so…

Like a record?

I don’t think we are that far apart of some of the issues here. But I think you have been barking up the wrong tree for some days and you are confusing taking the underlying issues seriously with embracing populism.

That’s the thing. You and Marton treat everything away from the “center” as populists. I tend to segment it a tad more carefully. AfD? Definitely. Le Pen? Definitely. Meloni. Not so much. Orban? Not even a populist, in fact, the most odious realist who’s getting away with murder. So yeah, not really a common denominator.

Really? Because as per your post above Meloni and Le Pen were the same for you.

Anyway, I said I wanted to say. Too many times :laughing:

Actually, I agree there is no common denominator and there are lots of policy differences which is why the EU already has three groups that claim to be hard right groups.

With luck, they will spend all their time and energy fighting each other instead of taking advantage of their combined strength

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Luck is one. But hopefully, just hopefully we’ll be seeing less of the naivety of Macron and a bit more realism. If France is the type of “lucky” situation we’ll have to end up with to avoid extremists, then that’s just not good enough and possibly even worse long term.

And finally three things on France.

  • I don’t think Macron’s call for elections was wise.

  • First round vs second round dynamics are interesting, but it is not as dramatic as it was reported: RN go from 33% in Round 1 to 25% of seats in Round 2 (-8%). NPP go from 28% to 32% (+4). Ensemble go from 21% to 29% (+8%). So I would say that the tactical alignment was quite successful and Ensemble got the most out of a bad situation.

  • Now you compare this to the outgoing parliament: There was no majority already. The organized left block (NUPES) had 32% already. So where has your big swing to the extreme left suddenly gone?

So the shift is essentially from Ensemble to RN. I agree that Macron rushed this without need and he could have continued with his previous plurality. But this shift was probably inevitable, and as in most other European countries the hard right takes votes from the center-right.

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Claims today that Orban visit to Moscow was in breach of EU treaties

How so? As I said in another post, he could have done this earlier as a Han Solo, not after Hungary took over the rotating EU presidency. I do wonder what was he thinking, considering that just the next day Russia bombarded hospitals in Ukraine.

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The dreaded ‘populists’ = people that have come to the realisation that having unlimited foreigners and more kebab shops isn’t necessarily worth the lower wages, higher rents, high crime rates and increasingly third-world conditions they bring with them.

Don’t quote me as if to imply that I subscribe to your racists and homophobic posts. I have a particular view on immigration, but it has NOTHING to do with country origin, ethnicity or sexual orientation and everything to do with applicable skills.

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Funnily enough, Australia and Canada have a pretty similar model to what you seem to advocate for, yet they are now facing similar immigration problems to other countries and they are also becoming increasingly divided over the issue.

As usual you are unable to quote reliable sources to support your xenophobic rants.

And…the latest news. What does that even mean??

It means that no decisions can be made at such meetings because the people with that authority are not there, without that support Orban is powerless to change or create anything new.

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Yes, the situation is depressing anyway. But probably much better than what Europe used to look like decades ago.