The EV thread

Ford Motor Co. said Wednesday it is changing its electric vehicle strategy, canceling plans for an all-electric three-row SUV and delaying the launch of a full-size EV pickup.

The Dearborn-based automaker said it will instead prioritize the introduction of a new, all-electric commercial van in 2026, followed by a more affordable mid-sized EV pickup and the full-size pickup in 2027 — a delay of about 18 months.

Saw an interesting report on the topic in the news.
Seems that the big western car makers are getting nervous now that sales of their ICE cars has fallen off a cliff in China.
China now has a lottery system for registering ICE cars and over 40% of cars being registered now are E cars.

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On a side note, the guy being interviewed and the passenger used the time to fiddle and peck at their phones.

As I said. It’s a disruption of unprecedented magnitude.

Either these companies can get their shit together - or they will be relegated to the same fate as the buggy-whip makers of the outgoing 19th century.

The BMW i4, i5, i7 and iX are hideous :face_vomiting: Anyway, BMW sold more EVs in the EU* than Tesla.

Car sales statistic still consider the UK the EU bucket (EU-28). BMW Takes Down Tesla: More EVs Sold In Europe

Whatever is happening, is not a monthly issue. At the end of Q12024, 3 months ago, the news were Tesla sales in Europe falling to a 15 month low.

https://archive.is/XWN3w

I’m still surprised people buys this BMWs in those numbers. It would be ironic that those huge new BMW grilles, which make no sense in an EV, are causing this :rofl:

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It’s all about better leasing deals.

Almost none of the Teslas are commercial leasings, whereas my guess is most of the BMWs are.

Tesla mostly sells to people who buy cash or finance.

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Tesla’s best-selling Model Y is due for a refresh. There is much leaked info and rumoured guesswork on what the *Juniper" 2025 Model Y will be like.

This has made buyers wary of splashing out until they see exactly what the refresh is…

Nobody buys a new iPhone in August …

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You are probably correct, large companies get huge incentives from all auto suppliers except Tesla

They might if the new iPhone dispenses with all ports or something equally radical. The analogy is related to Tesla’s decision to remove the indicator and gear selector stalks from the refreshed Model 3. That was enough to make me plump for the older Model Y even though the new Model 3 was my preference.

I had no idea the subsidies to install chargers in apartment buildings by federal government did not pass last spring.

Making a quick comparison, installing a charger is around the price of 2 years of gasoline in a fun car. Probably 4 years of gasoline in a more rational car. Until this changes, EVs remain a costly alternative.

I don’t have a fancy charger, just a normal AC socket. Using ‘cheap’ power from 23h-06h I charge to 80% every night. Should I ever need a fast charge our village has two 350m from our house. They are rarely used.

Not everyone needs a fast charger.

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Well, that’s the issue. A normal 220V socket that is linked to the meter of an specific apartment in the building can cost a few thousand francs.

Not everyone lives in an apartment.

That’s the point of the article. That EVs and plug-in hybrid have been adopted by people living in single unit houses. Increasing the adoption rate requires solutions for people living in apartments.

That’s foremost a problem between the owners of the apartments.

It is very costly to have a load-sharing charging-solution - but that is just the complexity of the matter.

It is also potentially a large extra load on the building cabling.

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Well, if the building cabling (or rather, the total electrical load calculated for the building at the time of construction) is too low, then that’s going to limit the amount of cars that can charge at the same time.

Upgrading that is really, really (expletive) expensive. I’ve seen it hurt buildings from the 70s that can’t easily install a heat-pump for this reason.

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Indeed, that’s a known problem.

The only update is that a proposal for a tax rebate that would be triggered by investing in the old buildings (such as new cabling) was discarded by Swiss National Council. They said it’s a cantonal issue.

Upgrading insulation, re-doing roofs, windows is more useful for these kinds of buildings than installing chargers…

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I won’t be buying a Chinese EV any time soon: