The EV thread

Don’t worry, they can only be sold in Europe after they are proven to meet European safety standards.

Did you notice the warning this is a paid promotion video?

What do you think that means?

Serpentza can be useful as a canary in the coalmine but he’s far too alarmistic to be taken at face value.

And I wouldn’t bet on his honesty. Take the car shown at 7:45 in the clip, that looks very much like the underside got “attacked” by an automatic rising pollard to me. They can well be strong enough to lift a car, here’s such an incident:

A synonym of promotion is advertising so paid for by someone promoting non-chines EVs

So you think it is a conspiracy by non-Chinese EVs to give bad publicity to Chinese EVs?

I don’t think this is the case. The notification just means that there is paid promotion on the video. Part way though you’ll see the advert for a wallet.

Not a conspiracy, simply an advertisement.

I’m not sure I trust the testing. Sure, maybe standards require an airbag. But what if it doesn’t work? How are they testing that?

Google is your friend
ACS 4. Airbag test chambers.

More details here

and Here
Testing involves high-speed collisions, offset crashes, side impacts, and even rollover simulations .

The problem is they can’t test every car. How do you know if your car has a real airbag or a fake one? Or a faulty one that doesn’t work? I’m sure a car company can rustle up a working car for testing and qualification purposes. Heck even VW faked their emissions and I bet the Chinese car makers would be far more aggressive in corner-cutting and cheating.

Well, the guy with very dramatic intonation tells in simple terms that there a 2 types of products made in China:

  • the ones for export, and
  • the ones for the local market.

Just re-watch the video around 9m00s:

I’ll give you an example: a recall notice for Chinese EVs sold in Australia was issued in Dec 2023 and this was because there was a problem that could kill the owner. Turns out that if you unplug the charger without manually first stopping the charging process you could die. This is a very simple and basic safety feature that all EVs have baked in.Most EVs won’t allow you to unplug the charger whilst charging and those that do will immediately cut off the charge.

How could such a simple mistake yet deadly mistake make it all the way to Australian shores?Why was this problem not identified in China? Why was a recall only initiated once it was being sold in a foreign market?

Simple, foreign markets have higher standards and there are more legal repercusions.

If I remember Chinese EV batteries are used by Tesla, Stellantis, Honda, VW. So, the drama about fires, well…it’s just drama. So, the video only shows that Chinese batteries or cars sold in China have lower standards. The guy with dramatic intonation has discovered that cars in emerging economies have lower quality and safety features…wow, just wow

With the fraction of EVs around here in Switzerland we should see a lot fires, don’t we? Or maybe the grounding is top as the guy in the other video you shared some days ago shows :rofl:

PS. I just remembered a conversation with my parents about thick steel bars in car doors that help with side impacts. One cheap model did not have them, a slightly pricier one had them…hey, just go for the slightly pricier one hahaha

Exactly, such a basic safety thing was not caught and these cars were sold in a developed market with so-called higher safety standards and could have killed someone. I don’t want to be a China EV safety testing guinea pig.

This is a basic thing that shouldn’t have even been designed like that. Let alone get all they way through testing, QA, manufacture and sale to end user!

Don’t worry then. There’s a bunch of early adopters out there that will take the job of guinea pig and pay for it. 4-5 years later or 1 car generation later, things should be fine after the catastrophic fails have been identified and solved.

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All EVs have problems

2019 Jaguar I-Pace Recalled For The Fifth Time Over Battery Fire Risk

https://insideevs.com/news/732648/2019-jaguar-i-pace-battery-fire-recall-state-of-charge-limit/

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All batteries are inherently dangerous. So that’s something to be expected for all EVs. Fake/faulty airbags and electrocution due to bad design are in another category.

Hey, take the Toyota Yaris: It’s global platform but some markets get a different Yaris. The Yaris in France is 20’950 EUR, while the Yaris in Mexico is 316,00 MXN or 14’682 EUR. People says it’s because EU country market is willing to pay more or import tariffs. But cheaper Yaris is missing some welding, some expensive QC to ensure a lower failure rate, some extra steel bars where it matters, some airbags, etc.

This also explains why the super cheap Chinese EVs will not take over the global market, bankruptcy of VW, Toyota, and all those stories. A local market Chinese EV with 500+ km range is sold for 10-15k EUR over there, but look at all the corners cut. Same car that has to pass a EURO NCAP crash test with a decent score and an acceptable QC/failure rate statistics, costs 5-10K EUR more.

Looks like Chinese EVs will be blocked in the US one way or another.

The US Commerce Department on Monday proposed banning Chinese software and hardware for vehicles with a built-in internet connection, in a move that would effectively ban Chinese vehicles from the US market.

It is not just batteries.

Volkswagen is recalling 98,806 of its ID.4 electric vehicles due to defective door handles that could cause doors to open unexpectedly.

Toyotas recall more than one million cars due to a potential fire risk due to a faulty engine wiring harness

Jaguar’s premium electric vehicle, the I-PACE, was recalled in 2019 due to an issue popped up in its regenerative braking system. It has been reported that the brakes can show an “increased delay” between the driver hitting the brake pedal and the vehicle slowing down.

German carmaker Audi also recalled all of its E-Tron models in 2019 over news that a manufacturing issue could allow water to enter charging port

California-based electric vehicle maker Rivian issued a voluntary recall in May 2022 for 502 of its R1T pickup trucks for a sensor defect that could cause airbags to improperly deploy when a child is in the front passenger seat.

Tesla has the dubious honor of leading the list of EV manufacturers with the largest number of recalls. Tesla had announced a recall of 7,000 Model X SUVs from 2021 to 2022 over an issue with its airbags, which did not inflate properly when the car windows are down.

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Recently saw a new Prius.

Holy moly, that thing looks nice. If only they made an EV like that.

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Design wise It’s more than a nod to Tesla IMHO:)

But if you don’t need to include brand identity in the form of a brand-recognisable fake radiator grill then using computer wind-tunnel performance modelling, all cars should look virtually the same.

The Xiaomi EV looks the same too.