He is “leading” the initiative according to you? He’s no longer in control of his own government as he doesn’t have a majority in parliament. He will have to work with communists, left wing wannabes and centrist just to block Le Pen. Lets see how this works out for France, but he’s clearly lost the control he had.
You can say it 30, doesn’t make it a reality. Ignoring the far right is EXACTLY what they want. What should be happening is to take away the initiative away from them, control the narrative instead of pathetic backdoor deals which only make them stronger.
Not, this was a democratic decision by a majority of the voters.
It’s tough for the far right if they do not have enough votes to install their own candidate, they just have to suck it up.
Von de Leyen is not elected by voters. Meloni is. Your point is mute.
Preposterous. If you don’t know how majorities work that is sad but now my problem.
Also, you don’t present any alternative. You just join the howling of Meloni and the hard right.
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I have, go back and read again. 1) take away the initiative from the far right by actually RECOGNIZING migration as a problem. For far too long this was a tabu topic for mainstream politicians which created a frustration amongst voters which allowed the far right to surge. 2) SELECTIVELY get the decent right parties, like Meloni, within the decision making process in order to divide them from AfD and Orban. 3) Just stop doing Macron style political gambling which will now further allow Le Pen to gain ground and puts France in a bizarre position to have a 72 year old Trotzky style communist control the narrative and possibly nominate a Prime Minister.
In this case, the voters are the democratically elected European Parliament MPs who must vote to confirm or deny Von de Leyen’s role. This will be during the plenary of 16-19 July.6.
This should not be difficult to understand.
The problem with the hard right claims about Meloni is they have no substance, there is no compromise possible because the majority will not replace Van de Leyen with a hard right candidate.
All of which has nothing related to appointing Van de Leyan.
Classic example of whataboutery
The European Parliament is elected by voters,
Von de Leyen is elected by the Parliament,
The Council is appointed by European Governments which are elected by voters
The Commission is appointed by European Governments which are elected by voters.
What am I missing?
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Nothing, this is a ridiculous side discussion with Marton who fails to see the forest and focuses on a leaf which is irrelevant, its off-topic. My idea are the 3 points above, please ignore Martons continuous offtopic
Is Giorgia Meloni’s party a member of the new group Patriots for Europe?
What group is that? Fratelli d’Italia are part of ECR as far as I know.
No. Luckily. Which, btw, is just further proof why she’s better to be integrated into the decision making process rather than alienate her.
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The one (I think) @Slammer was talking about…
One only needs to say that this is Orbans club to get a good idea of how odious it is.
It is not often that I side with @marton, but here I do.
You decided to mix a political argument (trying to integrate Meloni) with a procedural argument (how allegedly vdL’s appointment is undemocratic but would have been democratic if it involved Meloni). I might agree or disagree with your political argument (and I think I disagree for practical reasons), but that does not take away from the fact that you are echoing Meloni’s populistic and unserious talking points on how this is all anti-democratic.
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Its no surprise you side with Marton as you also fail to see the forest for the trees. The so-called right thrives when ignored. Taking away the initiative and recognizing voters concerns is the only way to really address this in a democratic fashion. And putting Meloni in the same basket with, say, Orban, doesn’t do justice to her, but makes Orban and his odious narrative even more “mainstream” and convincing. The way forward is not to push them to further consolidate, but to find a way to divide them and at the same time address real voters concerns.
And no, creating an alliance in a French fashion with Trotzky communists is NOT the way forward.
Sigh.
From what I can read this is essentially ID + Fidesz then.
You started this side discussion by complaining about Meloni not being invited to the meeting to select Van de Leyen which now you would like us to forget about because it keeps reminding us of your failure to understand the European Parliament voting process.
Your constant embracing of hard-right trees probably makes it difficult for you to see the EU forest where well under 20% MEPs are classed as hard-right but nevertheless you believe we should all embrace them as well.